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[Joris van der Hoeven <address@hidden>]

Hi Javier,

On Thu, 14 Oct 2004, Javier Arántegui wrote:
> El Jueves, 14 de Octubre de 2004 13:51, Joris van der Hoeven escribió:
> > I did not manage to install LyX on my system, but it seems that
> > you do not really get the text of the reference; you merely specify
> > the LaTeX commands "citet" and "citep" for generating the citation.
>
> I think you should find out how to install Lyx. It's good to know what the
> competence is doing and I think that Lyx is the best competitor of TeXmacs.

Well, the RPM's don't seem to work. I don't want to put to much time in this.
I took a lot from time to time, but I don't like this software.
The math-editing sucks and I don't like the LaTeX-based approach.

> Maybe there are two or three interesting ideas that can be adapted to 
> TeXmacs.

As far as I remember, nothing we can think of ourselves.
Once again, the problem is not ideas, but time.

> The truth is I didn't notice about 'citep' and 'citet'. Could be difficult 
> to
> include them in TeXmacs to provide different ways to show bibliographic 
> references?

I don't know what these commands do; they are not in the companion,
so they seem to be specific to Elsevier's style. We are working on better
support of the most frequently used journal styles, but this requires
a lot of time.

> > If you want to export from TeXmacs to LaTeX, then you can do the same
> > thing: just use the Insert -> Specific -> LaTeX construct in order to
> > specify some verbatim text which will be included "as is" when exporting
> > to LaTeX.
>
> I don't want to export to LaTeX to render, in the way I want, the
> bibliographic references. In that case, I would use directly Lyx.

I agree; this is not nice.

> I've been reading some chapters of the 'Reference Guide' and
> 'std-automatic.ts'. After some trials and mistakes I put two macros in the
> beginning of my document:
>
> (assign "render-cite" (macro "ref" (arg "ref")))
> (assign "render-bibitem" "")
>
> I know they are not very impressive but I am quite proud of them because 
> they
> are my first macros :)  The second macro works great removing the reference
> in bold between [] from the item in 'Bibliography'.
>
> The problem is the first one. Using this macro I get things like 'Dunne and
> Kluter(2001)' or 'Evrendilek et al.(2004)Evrendilek, Zhang, and Ritcher'
> where I put a 'cite'. I would be happy if I could add an space between the
> authors and the year ('Dunne and Kutler (2001)' and if I could remove the
> list of authors after the year in the second example. Any hint of how can I
> do it?

I think that this one is not very easy, since it requires some rewriting
of the markup. I suggest you to use an extern scheme command for this.
There are a few examples of these in the standard files, like the macro
TeXmacs-version. Please let me know if you manage to hack something ;^)

Best wishes, Joris