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Re: An opportunity for TeXmacs-based online learning?


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  • From: Bertrand BRATSCHI <address@hidden>
  • To: "Mitran, Sorin" <address@hidden>
  • Cc: Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>, marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden>, Frank <address@hidden>, texmacs-users <address@hidden>, Vincent Douce Mathoscope <address@hidden>
  • Subject: Re: An opportunity for TeXmacs-based online learning?
  • Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:38:33 +0100
Hi Marc

I’m also using TeXmac for online classes. I started monday of this week, in
combination with Google meet.
I’m very interested by the idea of " tester un partage d'écran symétrique ».
Can you tell me more about the results of this attempt ?
II would like to try something similar.

Best wishes,
Bertrand



> Le 21 mars 2020 à 11:07, Mitran, Sorin <address@hidden> a écrit :
>
> Yes, Texmacs is excellent for this and much appreciated. Another
> online-lecture example:
> http://mitran-lab.amath.unc.edu/courses/MATH383/Lesson18.webm (use
> Firefox/Chrome)
>
> From: <address@hidden> on behalf of Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>
> Reply-To: Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>
> Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 9:35 AM
> To: marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden>
> Cc: Frank <address@hidden>, texmacs-users <address@hidden>, Vincent Douce
> Mathoscope <address@hidden>
> Subject: Re: An opportunity for TeXmacs-based online learning?
>
> Thanks Marc! I share your enthusiasm about TeXmacs as a blackboard and I'm
> glad is working well for you. I myself have some lectures in it and was
> pleased from the results.
>
> Even having 5-10 min of recording to show as an example would be great!
>
> Max
>
>
>
>> On 18. Mar 2020, at 14:27, marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Max,
>>
>> I didn't record the session. I will next time, when it will more polished.
>> I plan to ask students to install texmacs on their pc.
>>
>> I'll let you Know.
>>
>> Here us the message i sent this morning to all the colleagues teaching
>> science in CPGE.
>>
>> It's in french
>>
>> Bonjour.
>>
>> Je viens d'effectuer mon premier cours en visio, depuis ma campagne avec
>> un pauvre débit ... L'outil testé : wiziq sur notre ent moodle.
>>
>> Je cherchais un outil institutionnel (pas discord ni zoom) et Via ou
>> BibBlueButton étant saturés, je me suis rabattu sur wiZiq.
>>
>> Je cherchais surtout de quoi écrire comme sur un tableau sachant que :
>> j'écris comme un médecin et je n'ai pas de tablette ni de stylet. Comme
>> j'utilise TeXmacs (https://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/home/welcome.en.html)
>> pour mes documents d'info et de maths, ça ma semblé naturel de l'utiliser
>> comme tableau blanc. Et ça a vraiment été efficace : on tape comme en
>> latex mais ça s'affiche directement (WYSIWYG ou presque). En partageant
>> l'écran de cette application, les étudiants ont pu suivre les calculs en
>> direct et intervenir par chat. J'avais coupé les micros et ne les ouvrais
>> qu'à la demande.
>>
>> Je vais tester un partage d'écran symétrique : les étudiants pourront
>> aussi installer texmacs et partager leur propre écran lorsque je le
>> demande. Wiziq laisse pas mal de droits aux étudiants mais ils se sont
>> très vite disciplinés et ça n'a pas posé de problème.
>>
>> Pour info, TeXmacs est un logiciel crée par Joris van der Hoeven, qui a
>> montré le O(nlog(n)) pour le produit d'entiers dont certains ont parlé en
>> début d'année. Je trouve texmacs vraiment très facile à utiliser, avec des
>> raccourcis efficaces, des graphiques faciles à créer en direct, un
>> interfaçage de python efficace.
>>
>> Je suis par ailleurs opposé le plus possible à l'utilisation de logiciels
>> autres qu'institutionnels de type discord ou zoom. Si les solutions
>> n'existent pas ou ne sont pas fiables (Via par exemple en saturation), le
>> ministère doit prendre ses responsabilités.Si je dois l'utiliser en
>> dernier recours (et je crains que ça arrive vite :( ), ce ne sera qu'avec
>> l'aval de mon administration.
>>
>> Bon courage à tous.
>>
>>
>>
>> Envoyé depuis un smartphone
>>
>> Le mer. 18 mars 2020 à 11:28, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden> a
>> écrit :
>>> Dear Marc,
>>>
>>> glad to hear that! It would be possible to see the result? Or in
>>> alternative that you record 5-6 min of "fake" lecture to have something
>>> which we can use to advertise TeXmacs for such a use?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 18. Mar 2020, at 11:21, marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi to all.
>>>>
>>>> I do hope you're all OK.
>>>>
>>>> I just made a two hours "web"class with texmacs as the whiteboard : just
>>>> great.
>>>>
>>>> For professional reasons, I wanted to use institutional tools : no zoom
>>>> neither discord. So we chose wiziq in moodle (Bigbluebutton being out of
>>>> order : too many connexions). And with the chat, the pdfs of my
>>>> exercises and the screenshare of texmacs it was convincing.
>>>>
>>>> I'll write to the colleagues of my organisation to make some publicity.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for such a great tool.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes to all of you.
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
>>>> Le mer. 18 mars 2020 à 10:45, Frank <address@hidden> a écrit :
>>>>> Dear Max,
>>>>> I have access to YouTube but I know that in China it is blocked. I
>>>>> think that it is possibly important to advertise TeXmacs in China. I
>>>>> was supposing that if we can offer highly compressed and somehow low
>>>>> resolution version (say, in only several megabytes), then we can upload
>>>>> it on our own server, but I don't know whether it is possible.
>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>> Frank
>>>>> On 18/03/2020, Massimiliano Gubinelli wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Frank,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 17. Mar 2020, at 13:14, Frank <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear Max,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks for that. I hope that the tutorial video in question would
>>>>>>> also be available on the official site (it would also be beneficial
>>>>>>> to have a possibly low resolution version available on the official
>>>>>>> website for those who don't have access to YouTube) and announced in
>>>>>>> the forum, of the existence of which more users will be aware.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can you suggest a platform which is accessible to you? I suppose
>>>>>> youtube is blocked by a firewall?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not thinking to do it myself right now. :) I was hoping somebody
>>>>>> would take up the task. (personally I'm deep into the rabbit hole to
>>>>>> port TeXmacs to guile 2+)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found this very nice video of Vincent:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZbt3oZ0ro
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somebody could do a similar video in english, even less fancy, more
>>>>>> like Joris' tutorials.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This would be very useful to popularize TeXmacs in this period.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 于 March 17, 2020 11:16:12 AM UTC, Massimiliano Gubinelli
>>>>>>> <address@hidden> 写到:
>>>>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> in this global virus crisis, me and many of my colleagues
>>>>>>>> mathematicians need to broadcast lectures from home. Typical
>>>>>>>> solution is either use slides or virtual blackboards connected to a
>>>>>>>> tablet. I was wondering if there is an opportunity to advertise
>>>>>>>> TeXmacs as an alternative solution. I myself did once a seminar
>>>>>>>> using TeXmacs "live", that is projecting the TeXMacs window while
>>>>>>>> writing the content as I would have done for a blackboard talk.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If some of you have some time and energy it would be nice to have
>>>>>>>> another small video to show how to use TeXmacs to do online learning.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We could show a simulated lecture where you use the beamer mode as a
>>>>>>>> balckboard to illustrate some theorem and maybe do some drawing,
>>>>>>>> etc... I think some people could be interested in this solution.
>>>>>>>> Handwriting is sometime not so pretty and preparing LaTeX slides
>>>>>>>> time-consuming. So we could have some new users. Especially if we
>>>>>>>> explain simple ways to do things.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried to send around your Joris' video where he prepares slides
>>>>>>>> but a more targeted tutorial/presentation would be more interesting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Vincent? you already have some experience in this. Maybe you could
>>>>>>>> prepare a small example video for french speaking math teachers
>>>>>>>> (either in schoor or at university)?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> 使用 K-9 Mail 发送自我的Android设备。
>>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Best wishes!
>>>>> Yours,


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