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Re: An opportunity for TeXmacs-based online learning?


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  • From: TeXmacs <address@hidden>
  • To: marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden>
  • Cc: Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>, Frank <address@hidden>, texmacs-users <address@hidden>, Vincent Douce Mathoscope <address@hidden>
  • Subject: Re: An opportunity for TeXmacs-based online learning?
  • Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:17:48 +0100
Hi all,

I second Marc. The graphics mode has been designed for this.
Note that there are modes for
- Hand drawing (best if you have a tablet with a pen).
- Entering multi-paragraph frames (for typing text similar to
what you would do in normal text mode).

Best wishes, --Joris


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 03:28:57PM +0100, marc lalaude-labayle wrote:
> Hi Frank.
>
> Open a drawing in which you type your text. The best i could see right now.
>
> Envoyé depuis un smartphone
>
> Le mer. 18 mars 2020 à 15:20, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>
> a écrit :
>
> > If you need to operate on a mostly free-style style then I would just
> > start a very large drawing and put by hand math in my custom spatial
> > organisation. There you will be also able to use arrows and the like...
> >
> > m
> >
> >
> > On 18. Mar 2020, at 15:19, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I maybe would try to use a table with two columns. I do sometimes in the
> > paper.
> >
> > max
> >
> >
> > On 18. Mar 2020, at 15:18, Frank <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > Hi, I wonder whether it is convenient to organize non-linear structures
> > when we use TeXmacs as blackboards.
> >
> > For example, you write out two parallel points of view (like matrix vs
> > vector spaces), and then you need to explain the relation between these
> > two. On the blackboard, probably I write it in two column style and then I
> > add the illustration between these two columns. I don't know how to do it
> > properly in TeXmacs.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Frank
> > On 18/03/2020, marc lalaude-labayle wrote:
> >
> > I'll try. Promised ????
> >
> > Envoyé depuis un smartphone
> >
> > Le mer. 18 mars 2020 à 14:35, Massimiliano Gubinelli <
> > address@hidden> a écrit :
> >
> >> Thanks Marc! I share your enthusiasm about TeXmacs as a blackboard and
> >> I'm glad is working well for you. I myself have some lectures in it and
> >> was
> >> pleased from the results.
> >>
> >> Even having 5-10 min of recording to show as an example would be great!
> >>
> >> Max
> >>
> >>
> >> On 18. Mar 2020, at 14:27, marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Max,
> >>
> >> I didn't record the session. I will next time, when it will more
> >> polished. I plan to ask students to install texmacs on their pc.
> >>
> >> I'll let you Know.
> >>
> >> Here us the message i sent this morning to all the colleagues teaching
> >> science in CPGE.
> >>
> >> It's in french
> >>
> >> Bonjour.
> >>
> >> Je viens d'effectuer mon premier cours en visio, depuis ma campagne avec
> >> un pauvre débit ... L'outil testé : wiziq sur notre ent moodle.
> >>
> >> Je cherchais un outil institutionnel (pas discord ni zoom) et Via ou
> >> BibBlueButton étant saturés, je me suis rabattu sur wiZiq.
> >>
> >> Je cherchais surtout de quoi écrire comme sur un tableau sachant que :
> >> j'écris comme un médecin et je n'ai pas de tablette ni de stylet. Comme
> >> j'utilise TeXmacs (https://www.texmacs.org/tmweb/home/welcome.en.html)
> >> pour mes documents d'info et de maths, ça ma semblé naturel de l'utiliser
> >> comme tableau blanc. Et ça a vraiment été efficace : on tape comme en
> >> latex
> >> mais ça s'affiche directement (WYSIWYG ou presque). En partageant l'écran
> >> de cette application, les étudiants ont pu suivre les calculs en direct
> >> et
> >> intervenir par chat. J'avais coupé les micros et ne les ouvrais qu'à la
> >> demande.
> >>
> >> Je vais tester un partage d'écran symétrique : les étudiants pourront
> >> aussi installer texmacs et partager leur propre écran lorsque je le
> >> demande. Wiziq laisse pas mal de droits aux étudiants mais ils se sont
> >> très
> >> vite disciplinés et ça n'a pas posé de problème.
> >>
> >> Pour info, TeXmacs est un logiciel crée par Joris van der Hoeven, qui a
> >> montré le O(nlog(n)) pour le produit d'entiers dont certains ont parlé en
> >> début d'année. Je trouve texmacs vraiment très facile à utiliser, avec
> >> des
> >> raccourcis efficaces, des graphiques faciles à créer en direct, un
> >> interfaçage de python efficace.
> >>
> >> Je suis par ailleurs opposé le plus possible à l'utilisation de logiciels
> >> autres qu'institutionnels de type discord ou zoom. Si les solutions
> >> n'existent pas ou ne sont pas fiables (Via par exemple en saturation), le
> >> ministère doit prendre ses responsabilités.Si je dois l'utiliser en
> >> dernier
> >> recours (et je crains que ça arrive vite :( ), ce ne sera qu'avec l'aval
> >> de
> >> mon administration.
> >>
> >> Bon courage à tous.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Envoyé depuis un smartphone
> >>
> >> Le mer. 18 mars 2020 à 11:28, Massimiliano Gubinelli <
> >> address@hidden> a écrit :
> >>
> >>> Dear Marc,
> >>>
> >>> glad to hear that! It would be possible to see the result? Or in
> >>> alternative that you record 5-6 min of "fake" lecture to have something
> >>> which we can use to advertise TeXmacs for such a use?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> Max
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 18. Mar 2020, at 11:21, marc lalaude-labayle <address@hidden>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi to all.
> >>>
> >>> I do hope you're all OK.
> >>>
> >>> I just made a two hours "web"class with texmacs as the whiteboard : just
> >>> great.
> >>>
> >>> For professional reasons, I wanted to use institutional tools : no zoom
> >>> neither discord. So we chose wiziq in moodle (Bigbluebutton being out of
> >>> order : too many connexions). And with the chat, the pdfs of my
> >>> exercises
> >>> and the screenshare of texmacs it was convincing.
> >>>
> >>> I'll write to the colleagues of my organisation to make some publicity.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for such a great tool.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes to all of you.
> >>>
> >>> Marc
> >>>
> >>> Le mer. 18 mars 2020 à 10:45, Frank <address@hidden> a écrit :
> >>>
> >>>> Dear Max,
> >>>>
> >>>> I have access to YouTube but I know that in China it is blocked. I
> >>>> think that it is possibly important to advertise TeXmacs in China. I
> >>>> was
> >>>> supposing that if we can offer highly compressed and somehow low
> >>>> resolution
> >>>> version (say, in only several megabytes), then we can upload it on our
> >>>> own
> >>>> server, but I don't know whether it is possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best wishes,
> >>>>
> >>>> Frank
> >>>> On 18/03/2020, Massimiliano Gubinelli wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Frank,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 17. Mar 2020, at 13:14, Frank <address@hidden> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear Max,
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks for that. I hope that the tutorial video in question would also
> >>>> be available on the official site (it would also be beneficial to have
> >>>> a
> >>>> possibly low resolution version available on the official website for
> >>>> those
> >>>> who don't have access to YouTube) and announced in the forum, of the
> >>>> existence of which more users will be aware.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> can you suggest a platform which is accessible to you? I suppose
> >>>> youtube is blocked by a firewall?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not thinking to do it myself right now. :) I was hoping somebody
> >>>> would take up the task. (personally I'm deep into the rabbit hole to
> >>>> port
> >>>> TeXmacs to guile 2+)
> >>>>
> >>>> I found this very nice video of Vincent:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZbt3oZ0ro
> >>>>
> >>>> Somebody could do a similar video in english, even less fancy, more
> >>>> like Joris' tutorials.
> >>>>
> >>>> This would be very useful to popularize TeXmacs in this period.
> >>>>
> >>>> Max
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best wishes,
> >>>> Frank
> >>>>
> >>>> ??? March 17, 2020 11:16:12 AM UTC, Massimiliano Gubinelli <
> >>>> address@hidden> ??????:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> in this global virus crisis, me and many of my colleagues
> >>>>> mathematicians need to broadcast lectures from home. Typical solution
> >>>>> is either use slides or virtual blackboards connected to a tablet. I
> >>>>> was wondering if there is an opportunity to advertise TeXmacs as an
> >>>>> alternative solution. I myself did once a seminar using TeXmacs
> >>>>> "live", that is projecting the TeXMacs window while writing the
> >>>>> content as I would have done for a blackboard talk.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If some of you have some time and energy it would be nice to have
> >>>>> another small video to show how to use TeXmacs to do online learning.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We could show a simulated lecture where you use the beamer mode as a
> >>>>> balckboard to illustrate some theorem and maybe do some drawing,
> >>>>> etc... I think some people could be interested in this solution.
> >>>>> Handwriting is sometime not so pretty and preparing LaTeX slides
> >>>>> time-consuming. So we could have some new users. Especially if we
> >>>>> explain simple ways to do things.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I tried to send around your Joris' video where he prepares slides but
> >>>>> a more targeted tutorial/presentation would be more interesting.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vincent? you already have some experience in this. Maybe you could
> >>>>> prepare a small example video for french speaking math teachers
> >>>>> (either in schoor or at university)?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Best
> >>>>> Max
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> ?????? K-9 Mail ???????????????Android?????????
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best wishes!
> >>>> Yours,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >> --
> > Best wishes!
> > Yours,
> >
> >
> >
> >

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