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[Frank <address@hidden>]

Hi Joris,

I found that replacement in TeXmacs will do something unexpected, thus I 
usually use text editors to replace - I don't know whether I do it in a wrong 
way. For example, if I replace $dR$ by $cris$ in the attached file (using the 
separate window version that you mentioned), it will replace the whole math 
formulae but not just the subscripts.

Best,
Frank

On 5/28/21, TeXmacs wrote:
> Hi Frank,
>
> It is easy to do in TeXmacs using the search and replace tool (the separate 
> window version).
> Just search the 'no-indent' tag and systematically replace it by nothing.
>
> But there are a few other issues with Richard's files that I mentioned:
> the empty lines and the 'marked' code.  We could help him to make these
> things look better and more robust at the same time.
>
> Best wishes, --Joris
>
>
> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:37:27PM +0200, Frank wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Just a remark: no-indent is used for temporarily suppress an indent. I tend 
> > to believe that deleting all no-indent could simply be done by a pattern 
> > replacement in any text editor.
> >
> > Best,
> > Frank
> >
> > On 5/28/21, Richard gomez wrote:
> > > Hello Joris,
> > >
> > >
> > > well… i wrote the whole book with TeXmacs… no copy and paste from any editor.
> > >
> > > It is my second book written with TeXmacs. The first one was published 3 
> > > years ago by Ellipse (french editor) and i remember that i asked to the 
> > > ‘TeXmacs users’ how to avoid the indentation and someone taught me the 
> > > ’no-indent’ tag. I didn’t know that there was a way to get this with a simple 
> > > global setting. It was a 400 pages book.
> > >
> > > I was happy with the result and everything worked because Ellipse didn’t ask 
> > > me to reduce the vertical space between 2 paragraphs.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, i know that my method was not the good one… and Ellipse want me to 
> > > reduce the vertical spaces…
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don’t know how to make a special environment instead of a ‘marked’ one to 
> > > write the script codes. I remember that for my first book i asked how to 
> > > convert my yellow marked zones in grey zones and someone taught me the assign 
> > > tag with grey color.
> > >
> > > I am quite afraid and desperate, now.
> > >
> > > I would like to participate to a ‘hackers meeting’ because i really need to 
> > > achieve this book. I have written this one (850 pages) and another one (900 
> > > pages), and i would like to publish them in june or july. It has been a lot 
> > > of work (as you can imagine) and i don’t want to ruine all this effort.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I don’t know the Scheme programming, but i am ready to do the modifications 
> > > by hand if i don’t have any other choice… No problem...
> > >
> > > I think that the first modification i need to do is to create a ‘python 
> > > script code’ environment where
> > >
> > > — the background color is light grey,
> > >
> > > — the font is the same than in ‘code’ environment
> > >
> > > — the space between two lines of code is tiny as in IDLE or any Python editor,
> > >
> > > — and where there is a vertical space around it,
> > >
> > > but how to do this ?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > >
> > > Richard Gomez
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Le 28 mai 2021 à 19:01, TeXmacs <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> a 
> > > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > > Hi Richard,
> > > >
> > > > There are a few issues for which I think that you are using TeXmacs
> > > > in a somewhat unexpected way:
> > > >
> > > >   - As you mentioned, you sometimes inserted extra blank lines
> > > >     instead of modifying the spacing properties around environments
> > > >     that seem to need extra padding (like the code).
> > > >
> > > >   - You inserted 'no-indent' tags before almost every line
> > > >     instead of simply setting the first indentation to zero
> > > >     for the whole book.
> > > >
> > > >   - I am not sure whether the 'marked' tag is best for
> > > >     highlighting some pieces of your code.
> > > >     A specific environment might serve that purpose better.
> > > >
> > > > So I would suggest doing a systematic replacement to fix these issues and
> > > > then finetune the style to do exactly what you want.  Since it is a biiig 
> > > > book,
> > > > this may take a bit of time (unless you can do Scheme programming),
> > > > but you would probably be happy with the result.
> > > >
> > > > We might invite you at one of our hackers meetings to discuss this
> > > > in further detail.  It could actually be a good exercise for simple
> > > > Scheme programming.
> > > >
> > > > A small question: did you write the whole book with TeXmacs,
> > > > or did you copy and paste some parts?  I am a bit surprised by
> > > > the 'no-indent' tags at many places.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes, --Joris
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 05:04:48PM +0200, Richard gomez wrote:
> > > > > Thank you Joris and everyone,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have tried this :
> > > > >
> > > > >      Focus -> Preferences
> > > > >
> > > > > but it did not work.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am happy with the change i have made in the interparagraph interspace, but 
> > > > > it has generated few problems :
> > > > >
> > > > > — the vspace between items in a list as mentioned ;
> > > > >
> > > > > — the bad appearence of my Python scripts inside the document.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have attached 5 files for you to understand the issue (the MASTER file is 
> > > > > called ‘0_GROS_LIVRE.tm’)
> > > > >
> > > > > Every script i write in my document is written in ‘code’ environment put 
> > > > > inside a ‘marked’ environment (or the inverse, i don’t remember). I have 
> > > > > changed the yellow color of the ‘marked’ environment with
> > > > >
> > > > >         <assign | marked-color | light grey>
> > > > >
> > > > > for a better result. It gave me a good result with my first book.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > In the same way, every algorithm (in french) is written in a ‘code’ 
> > > > > environment.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, the problem is :
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) the vertical space between 2 lines of code is too large ;
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) the ‘light grey’ colored lines are now separated by a thin white line. 
> > > > > Thus any script in my document looks like a bunch of grey lines…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I don’t know how to fix this…
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for reading,
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard Gomez
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Le 28 mai 2021 à 15:12, Basile Audoly <address@hidden 
> > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>> a écrit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi everyone,
> > > > > > Am I understanding correctly that it is not possible to set the vertical 
> > > > > > spacing between list elements to be less than the inter-paragraph spacing?
> > > > > > Personally, I tend to set up lists within paragraphs (and even sometimes 
> > > > > > within sentences), so I do not see really the reason for this.
> > > > > > I am asking mostly out of curiosity, this is not a big issue.
> > > > > > Basile
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 28 mai 2021 à 14:10, TeXmacs <address@hidden 
> > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>> a écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Inside a list, go to 'Focus -> Preferences' and
> > > > > > > you will be able to set the spacing properties for your lists.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best wishes, --Joris
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 01:24:15PM +0200, Richard gomez wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello Jeroen,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > i have already wrote a book with Texmacs (édition Ellipse, it’s a french 
> > > > > > > > editor), and i like Texmacs a lot.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I will try to read all the information about fn, fns, etc. but i have first 
> > > > > > > > to fix a new problem, a consequence of my change of interparagraph space.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I have made this choice :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >        Document > Paragraph
> > > > > > > >        interparagraph space : 0.5 fn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > and i like the effect, but now, the vertical space between the items in the 
> > > > > > > > lists has changed !
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Before the interparagraph space change, I have changed the vpace in lists 
> > > > > > > > like this :
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >       (in the bar there is a tool) > (item vspep) > (other) > 0.1 fn
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when i change the interparagraph space, it changes the vsep in 
> > > > > > > > the lists too ! I would like to keep 0.1 fn in the lists, instead of 0.5 fn…
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I hope that my explanation is clear (i am not sure).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thank you for reading,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard Gomez
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Le 28 mai 2021 à 12:53, Jeroen Wouters <address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>> a écrit :
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Good to hear you've found the problem! I've tried to use the "Search and 
> > > > > > > > > replace" tool to remove such spaces between paragraphs, but haven't had any luck.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There's a description in Section 8 of Help -> Reference Guide -> The TeXmacs format of 
> > > > > > > > > length units. It may be hard to find in the extensive documentation, but by pressing F1 you 
> > > > > > > > > can search it, e.g. searching for "units" takes you there.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Nice to see you've made such a substantial piece of work in TeXmacs. 
> > > > > > > > > Congratulations!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best wishes,
> > > > > > > > > Jeroen
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 May, 2021 at 12:39, Richard gomez <address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Jeroen wrote :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > Massimiliano's suggestion works for me. Perhaps we are not understanding 
> > > > > > > > > > properly what the desired effect is. It would be helpful if you could attach 
> > > > > > > > > > a small example document (together with any non-standard style files, if 
> > > > > > > > > > necessary) and a screenshot where the spacing is indicated that you would 
> > > > > > > > > > like to reduce.
> > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > Jeroen
> > > > > > > > > > "
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you Jeroen.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I have just understood my mistake (few seconds before your email). I am so 
> > > > > > > > > > stupid.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is my mistake : when i writed few blocs of text, like below :
> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > This is block 1, block 1 , block 1, block 1, block 1
> > > > > > > > > > block 1, block 1, block 1, block 1.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is block 2, block 2 , block 2, block 2, block 2
> > > > > > > > > > block 2, block 2, block 2, block 2.
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > i used to press twice ENTER (you can see this in the example or in my first 
> > > > > > > > > > email), instead of pressing once ENTER, like here :
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________
> > > > > > > > > > This is block 1, block 1 , block 1, block 1, block 1
> > > > > > > > > > block 1, block 1, block 1, block 1
> > > > > > > > > > This is block 2, block 2 , block 2, block 2, block 2
> > > > > > > > > > block 2, block 2, block 2, block 2
> > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This is why the solutions given by Massimiliano and Giovanni did not work 
> > > > > > > > > > with me. But they were right !
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now, it works.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I am looking for some documentation about the menu
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >      DOCUMENT > PARAGRAPH > Interparagraph space
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > because i feel quite lost with the different units : fn, fns, fs, etc.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > My document is a "book style" (more than 800 pages) and my editor have made 
> > > > > > > > > > some requests about vertical spaces, etc.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thank you for your help,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Richard Gomez
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > Le 28 mai 2021 à 12:25, Jeroen Wouters <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Hi Richard,
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Massimiliano's suggestion works for me. Perhaps we are not understanding 
> > > > > > > > > > > properly what the desired effect is. It would be helpful if you could attach 
> > > > > > > > > > > a small example document (together with any non-standard style files, if 
> > > > > > > > > > > necessary) and a screenshot where the spacing is indicated that you would 
> > > > > > > > > > > like to reduce.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Best,
> > > > > > > > > > > Jeroen
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 28 May, 2021 at 12:13, Richard gomez <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Massimiliano.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried with the menu
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >            Document -> Paragraph
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >            Interparagraph space : *** fn
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > but it did not work.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried with negative values…
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > By the way, what does « fn » mean ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have also tried with negative values in
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >         <assign|par-par-sep|…>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > but it didn’t work (thak you Giovanni by the way).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > So, i ask once again (for new readers) : is there any way to change the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > height of the vertical spaces between the « blocks » of the text in my book ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regard,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Gomez
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Le 26 mai 2021 à 20:34, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You may want to make these changes in Document->Paragraph
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > where you have all the global settings. You have a spacing for lines and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > another for paragraphs, I think you can use negative values.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > m
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 26. May 2021, at 20:28, Giovanni Piredda <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps it depends on the style. I tested it with the "generic" style (and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > gotten the tighter spacing), which style are you using?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Giovanni
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am 26.05.2021 um 20:22 schrieb Richard gomez:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Giovanni.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have tried <assign|par-par-sep|0.2fn>, and this what i get :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > — if i try with a big size, like 1fn :  <assign|par-par-sep|1fn>, it works ! 
> > > > > > > > > > > > Every vertical space is bigger, but this is not what i want.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > — if i try with 0.2fn or 0.1fn, it does not work. The vertical space i get is 
> > > > > > > > > > > > bigger (just a little bit bigger) and i want it smaller...
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It seems impossible to me to reduce the actual vertical spaces…
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I remember that i got the same result with the menu : FORMAT —> WHITE SPACE 
> > > > > > > > > > > > —> (..)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Maybe someone knows how to change the vertical space obtained pressing ENTER…
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Gomez
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Le 26 mai 2021 à 19:31, Giovanni Piredda <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden 
> > > > > > > > > > > > <mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The environment variable that controls the spacing between two successive 
> > > > > > > > > > > > paragraphs is par-par-sep.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > This assigns it to a tight spacing
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <assign|par-par-sep|0.2fn>
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > and you can adjust to the liking of your editor.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that I am not missing important things, in case I hope someone else 
> > > > > > > > > > > > can correct or complete what I wrote.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Giovanni
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Am 26.05.2021 um 18:43 schrieb Richard gomez:
> > > > > > > > > > > > ###############
> > > > > > > > > > > > ### French version
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bonjour,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Je sépare les différents paragraphes d’une section d’un chapitre de mon livre 
> > > > > > > > > > > > en sautant la ligne, comme par exemple ci-dessous :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <<
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Titre de la section
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bloc 1 bla bla bla bla bla ceci cela et
> > > > > > > > > > > > bla bla et bla bla bla.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Bloc 2. La suite bla bla bla et bla
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Est-il possible de réduire l’espace entre les deux blocs ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > (C’est une demande faite par mon éditeur qui trouve l’espace entre les deux 
> > > > > > > > > > > > blocs trop grand).
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Merci de votre aide,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Gomez
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > #################
> > > > > > > > > > > > ###English version
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > i am writing several blocs in the same section and i separate them with a << line 
> > > > > > > > > > > > break >> (pressing ENTER). Here is an example :
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > <<
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 Titre de la section
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> > > > > > > > > > > > Block 1 bla bla bla bla bla ceci cela et
> > > > > > > > > > > > bla bla et bla bla bla.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Block 2. La suite bla bla bla et bla
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > My editor wants the vertical separation (vertical space) between the 2 blocks 
> > > > > > > > > > > > to be shorter. How can i change the length of this vertical space ?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Richard Gomez
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