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Re: Hide TeXmacs UI by default?


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  • From: Frank <address@hidden>
  • To: Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>,Henri Girard <address@hidden>
  • Cc: address@hidden
  • Subject: Re: Hide TeXmacs UI by default?
  • Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:08:46 +0000
Hello all,

On the other hand, for the UI, I don't know how texmacs depends on Qt, and I
don't know how flexible is the interface that Qt provides. But I find that
the way that new GNOME desktop organizes seems a good idea: the functionality
is driven by command: when you input something (eg. Font), GNOME desktop will
search for that functionality (eg. GNOME tweak -> Font settings). I suppose
that if texmacs would implement this, we should not do it manually, but using
something that Qt furnishes: an interface to search the pattern among all
dialogs, settings and buttons (it is quite generic and I support that it is
part of Qt).

Best,
Frank

于 November 13, 2020 8:49:43 AM UTC, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden>
写到:
>I find all this discussion a bit empty and not well determined. An UI,
>by definition cannot be removed, it is just the way an application
>interacts with the user:
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface>
>
>Unless we make more precise the proposal I do not see reason to
>continue. Maybe Amir means a Graphical UI? Or just the toolbar? Or
>what?
>
>Max
>
>
>> On 13. Nov 2020, at 08:54, Henri Girard <address@hidden> wrote:
>>
>> I used texmacs because there was an UI (very beginners with texmacs
>though I use it for years) if it is taken away I don't see the use of
>texmacs ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 12/11/2020 à 23:21, Ibrahima Fall a écrit :
>>> Hi all,
>>> For me it is better to show the UI by default. Hiding it can be made
>possible for some advanced users.
>>>
>>> best regards
>>>
>>> Le jeu. 12 nov. 2020 à 21:34, Amir Michail <address@hidden
><mailto:address@hidden>> a écrit :
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Massimiliano Gubinelli
><address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> What about people that will complain that the UI is too terse and
>would prefer to have buttons (even if 1997'ish) around?
>>>>
>>>
>>> As a first step, you would hide the UI by default. Users could
>always change the default to reveal some always visible UI elements.
>>>
>>> After that, you could think about how to reduce the need for always
>visible UI elements by revealing UI elements only when necessary. When
>that is accomplished, the need for users to turn on always visible UI
>elements is reduced.
>>>
>>> Amir
>>>
>>>
>>>> Max
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On 12. Nov 2020, at 22:21, Amir Michail <address@hidden
><mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Massimiliano Gubinelli
><address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12. Nov 2020, at 22:01, Amir Michail <address@hidden
><mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The main strength of TeXmacs is not its UI but rather its
>WYSIWYG editing of high quality math documents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So why not hide the UI by default so this main strength is more
>obvious to everyone?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not sure we have to go along with every single comment in
>social networks from people which never tried the program. You cannot
>please everyone. Maybe more "fancy" icons would attract "fancy" people.
>But then what?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First impressions matter. If the UI is not considered particularly
>innovative, then why not hide it and focus on what makes TeXmacs
>amazing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, many people find always visible UI elements distracting.
>It’s better to focus on the document itself and only show UI elements
>as needed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Amir
>>>>>
>>>>>> If somebody come by with nice replacements to the icons, I think
>Joris would be the first to adopt them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Max
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Amir
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.S. See this discussion:
>https://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/jsyv18/an_overview_of_texmacs_from_altitude_or_why_it/
><https://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/jsyv18/an_overview_of_texmacs_from_altitude_or_why_it/>
>>>

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