On 13. Nov 2020, at 10:08, Frank <address@hidden> wrote:

Hello all,

On the other hand, for the UI, I don't know how texmacs depends on Qt, and I don't know how flexible is the interface that Qt provides. But I find that the way that new GNOME desktop organizes seems a good idea: the functionality is driven by command: when you input something (eg. Font), GNOME desktop will search for that functionality (eg. GNOME tweak -> Font settings). I suppose that if texmacs would implement this, we should not do it manually, but using something that Qt furnishes: an interface to search the pattern among all dialogs, settings and buttons (it is quite generic and I support that it is part of Qt).

Best,
Frank

于 November 13, 2020 8:49:43 AM UTC, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden> 写到:

I find all this discussion a bit empty and not well determined. An UI,
by definition cannot be removed, it is just the way an application
interacts with the user:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_interface>

Unless we make more precise the proposal I do not see reason to
continue. Maybe Amir means a Graphical UI? Or just the toolbar? Or
what?

Max

On 13. Nov 2020, at 08:54, Henri Girard <address@hidden> wrote:

I used texmacs because there was an UI (very beginners with texmacs

though I use it for years) if it is taken away I don't see the use of
texmacs ?

Le 12/11/2020 à 23:21, Ibrahima Fall a écrit :

Hi all,
For me it is better to show the UI by default. Hiding it can be made

possible for some advanced users.

best regards

Le jeu. 12 nov. 2020 à 21:34, Amir Michail <address@hidden

<mailto:address@hidden>> a écrit :

On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:24 PM, Massimiliano Gubinelli

<address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:

What about people that will complain that the UI is too terse and

would prefer to have buttons  (even if 1997'ish) around?

As a first step, you would hide the UI by default. Users could

always change the default to reveal some always visible UI elements.

After that, you could think about how to reduce the need for always

visible UI elements by revealing UI elements only when necessary. When
that is accomplished, the need for users to turn on always visible UI
elements is reduced.

Amir

Max

On 12. Nov 2020, at 22:21, Amir Michail <address@hidden

<mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:

On Nov 12, 2020, at 4:13 PM, Massimiliano Gubinelli

<address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:

On 12. Nov 2020, at 22:01, Amir Michail <address@hidden

<mailto:address@hidden>> wrote:

Hello,

The main strength of TeXmacs is not its UI but rather its

WYSIWYG editing of high quality math documents. 

So why not hide the UI by default so this main strength is more

obvious to everyone?

What do you mean? 

I'm not sure we have to go along with every single comment in

social networks from people which never tried the program. You cannot
please everyone. Maybe more "fancy" icons would attract "fancy" people.
But then what?

First impressions matter. If the UI is not considered particularly

innovative, then why not hide it and focus on what makes TeXmacs
amazing?

Also, many people find always visible UI elements distracting.

It’s better to focus on the document itself and only show UI elements
as needed.

Amir

If somebody come by with nice replacements to the icons, I think

Joris would be the first to adopt them.

Max

Amir

P.S. See this discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/jsyv18/an_overview_of_texmacs_from_altitude_or_why_it/
<https://www.reddit.com/r/compsci/comments/jsyv18/an_overview_of_texmacs_from_altitude_or_why_it/>

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