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  • From: Christopher Dimech <address@hidden>
  • To: Basile Audoly <address@hidden>
  • Cc: texmacs-users <address@hidden>
  • Subject: arXiv
  • Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2021 03:09:19 +0200
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>Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 2:31 AM
>From: "Basile Audoly" <address@hidden>
>To: "Christopher Dimech" <address@hidden>
>Cc: "texmacs-users" <address@hidden>
>Subject: Re: arXiv
>Dear Christopher,
 
>No, it would definitely be easier (and more logical) to have arXiv correct the bug that erroneously tags PDF files as being produced by LaTeX once for all, >than to require every single TeXmacs submission to be exported to LaTeX.
 
>Currently, arXiv is accepting PDF produced by MS word but blocking those produced by TeXmacs.
 
If that is so, I would criticise harshly their modus-operandi.
 
>Your point about the TeXmacs format sounds unfair to me. TeXmacs is far more structured than LaTeX which does not follow a well-defined grammar. >Parsing meta-data from TeXmacs source is trivial.
 
Beyond the technical, there are other considerations.  Whilst it could be well structured according to some software engineering metric.
But its syntactic format is not more accessible to code modification than tex or latex, or to any other programming language.  I might
understand the production of an internal format that fits in with a more structured format for what you want to do.  But in doing so, you
have removed an important aspect.  Whilst it could be acceptable with schools and colleges, I do not see how to avoid the observation
I have made.
 
Myself, I would reject outputs from GUI that I would not be able to modify myself using a basic editor. Whilst I understand the work people
have put in it, introducing a syntactic format for users to change directly would allow others to understand the document without superficial
barriers.
 
I an not convinced that my evaluation has been unfair.  arXiv is certainly being unfair accepting outputs from MS.  Does arXiv accept docements
and source done with texinfo commands?
 
Felicitations
Christopher
 
>Best wishes,
>Basile
 
Le 10 juil. 2021 à 16:01, Christopher Dimech <address@hidden> a écrit :
 
Would it not be easier if you can export a latex version, and send that for arXiv.  TeXmacs has its own typesetting engine, but it's format
as with xml is almost impossible to work with from source.  That is the fundamental criticism about TeXmacs.  It's design is not 
germaine to use from source. 
 
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Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 1:23 AM
From: "Basile Audoly" <address@hidden>
To: "texmacs-users" <address@hidden>
Subject: arXiv
Dear TeXmacs users,
arXiv is blocking submissions from TeXmacs. I have submitted for the following bug report with them. I would encourage you to send a similar email if you encounter difficulties. Maybe they will take it seriously if many of us complain?
Best wishes,
Basile
 
Hello,
I am writing my papers using GNU TeXmacs (www.texmacs.org), a wonderful, free, multi-platform editor for scientific documents. Its name might be misleading but TeXmacs is *not* related to TeX/LaTeX: it has its own typesetting engine.
When I submit to arXiv a PDF file produced with TeXmacs, it is incorrectly recognized as being produced by LaTeX, and the submission process is blocked until I provide the latex sources which do not exist. This makes it effectively impossible to submit TeXmacs document to arXiv. This is very unfortunate as TeXmacs is a great software, arguably superior to LaTeX in several aspects.
I am attaching a sample TeXmacs document. I am hoping that you can either correct your LaTeX detection algorithm so that similar documents do not get erroneously blocked, or let me know which properties of the PDF document exactly are used to tag it as being produced LaTeX, so I can help the TeXmacs developers identify a work-around.
TeXmacs is a great free software that needs encouragements from our community and not additional barriers.
Best wishes,
(your name here)
 

  • arXiv, Basile Audoly, 07/10/2021
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