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  • From: TeXmacs <address@hidden>
  • To: address@hidden
  • Subject: Re: Space between two paragraphs
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 19:59:25 +0200
Hi Frank,

It is easy to do in TeXmacs using the search and replace tool (the separate
window version).
Just search the 'no-indent' tag and systematically replace it by nothing.

But there are a few other issues with Richard's files that I mentioned:
the empty lines and the 'marked' code. We could help him to make these
things look better and more robust at the same time.

Best wishes, --Joris


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 07:37:27PM +0200, Frank wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just a remark: no-indent is used for temporarily suppress an indent. I tend
> to believe that deleting all no-indent could simply be done by a pattern
> replacement in any text editor.
>
> Best,
> Frank
>
> On 5/28/21, Richard gomez wrote:
> >Hello Joris,
> >
> >
> >well… i wrote the whole book with TeXmacs… no copy and paste from any
> >editor.
> >
> >It is my second book written with TeXmacs. The first one was published 3
> >years ago by Ellipse (french editor) and i remember that i asked to the
> >‘TeXmacs users’ how to avoid the indentation and someone taught me the
> >’no-indent’ tag. I didn’t know that there was a way to get this with a
> >simple global setting. It was a 400 pages book.
> >
> >I was happy with the result and everything worked because Ellipse didn’t
> >ask me to reduce the vertical space between 2 paragraphs.
> >
> >
> >
> >Now, i know that my method was not the good one… and Ellipse want me to
> >reduce the vertical spaces…
> >
> >
> >
> >I don’t know how to make a special environment instead of a ‘marked’ one
> >to write the script codes. I remember that for my first book i asked how
> >to convert my yellow marked zones in grey zones and someone taught me the
> >assign tag with grey color.
> >
> >I am quite afraid and desperate, now.
> >
> >I would like to participate to a ‘hackers meeting’ because i really need
> >to achieve this book. I have written this one (850 pages) and another one
> >(900 pages), and i would like to publish them in june or july. It has been
> >a lot of work (as you can imagine) and i don’t want to ruine all this
> >effort.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >I don’t know the Scheme programming, but i am ready to do the
> >modifications by hand if i don’t have any other choice… No problem...
> >
> >I think that the first modification i need to do is to create a ‘python
> >script code’ environment where
> >
> >— the background color is light grey,
> >
> >— the font is the same than in ‘code’ environment
> >
> >— the space between two lines of code is tiny as in IDLE or any Python
> >editor,
> >
> >— and where there is a vertical space around it,
> >
> >but how to do this ?
> >
> >
> >
> >Thank you,
> >
> >Richard Gomez
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>Le 28 mai 2021 à 19:01, TeXmacs <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>
> >>a écrit :
> >>
> >>Hi Richard,
> >>
> >>There are a few issues for which I think that you are using TeXmacs
> >>in a somewhat unexpected way:
> >>
> >> - As you mentioned, you sometimes inserted extra blank lines
> >>   instead of modifying the spacing properties around environments
> >>   that seem to need extra padding (like the code).
> >>
> >> - You inserted 'no-indent' tags before almost every line
> >>   instead of simply setting the first indentation to zero
> >>   for the whole book.
> >>
> >> - I am not sure whether the 'marked' tag is best for
> >>   highlighting some pieces of your code.
> >>   A specific environment might serve that purpose better.
> >>
> >>So I would suggest doing a systematic replacement to fix these issues and
> >>then finetune the style to do exactly what you want.  Since it is a biiig
> >>book,
> >>this may take a bit of time (unless you can do Scheme programming),
> >>but you would probably be happy with the result.
> >>
> >>We might invite you at one of our hackers meetings to discuss this
> >>in further detail.  It could actually be a good exercise for simple
> >>Scheme programming.
> >>
> >>A small question: did you write the whole book with TeXmacs,
> >>or did you copy and paste some parts?  I am a bit surprised by
> >>the 'no-indent' tags at many places.
> >>
> >>Best wishes, --Joris
> >>
> >>
> >>On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 05:04:48PM +0200, Richard gomez wrote:
> >>>Thank you Joris and everyone,
> >>>
> >>>I have tried this :
> >>>
> >>>    Focus -> Preferences
> >>>
> >>>but it did not work.
> >>>
> >>>I am happy with the change i have made in the interparagraph interspace,
> >>>but it has generated few problems :
> >>>
> >>>— the vspace between items in a list as mentioned ;
> >>>
> >>>— the bad appearence of my Python scripts inside the document.
> >>>
> >>>I have attached 5 files for you to understand the issue (the MASTER file
> >>>is called ‘0_GROS_LIVRE.tm’)
> >>>
> >>>Every script i write in my document is written in ‘code’ environment put
> >>>inside a ‘marked’ environment (or the inverse, i don’t remember). I have
> >>>changed the yellow color of the ‘marked’ environment with
> >>>
> >>>       <assign | marked-color | light grey>
> >>>
> >>>for a better result. It gave me a good result with my first book.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>In the same way, every algorithm (in french) is written in a ‘code’
> >>>environment.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Now, the problem is :
> >>>
> >>>1) the vertical space between 2 lines of code is too large ;
> >>>
> >>>2) the ‘light grey’ colored lines are now separated by a thin white
> >>>line. Thus any script in my document looks like a bunch of grey lines…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I don’t know how to fix this…
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Thank you for reading,
> >>>
> >>>Richard Gomez
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Le 28 mai 2021 à 15:12, Basile Audoly <address@hidden
> >>>><mailto:address@hidden>> a écrit :
> >>>>
> >>>>Hi everyone,
> >>>>Am I understanding correctly that it is not possible to set the
> >>>>vertical spacing between list elements to be less than the
> >>>>inter-paragraph spacing?
> >>>>Personally, I tend to set up lists within paragraphs (and even
> >>>>sometimes within sentences), so I do not see really the reason for this.
> >>>>I am asking mostly out of curiosity, this is not a big issue.
> >>>>Basile
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Le 28 mai 2021 à 14:10, TeXmacs <address@hidden
> >>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>> a écrit :
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Hi Richard,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Inside a list, go to 'Focus -> Preferences' and
> >>>>>you will be able to set the spacing properties for your lists.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Best wishes, --Joris
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 01:24:15PM +0200, Richard gomez wrote:
> >>>>>>Hello Jeroen,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>i have already wrote a book with Texmacs (édition Ellipse, it’s a
> >>>>>>french editor), and i like Texmacs a lot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I will try to read all the information about fn, fns, etc. but i have
> >>>>>>first to fix a new problem, a consequence of my change of
> >>>>>>interparagraph space.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I have made this choice :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>      Document > Paragraph
> >>>>>>      interparagraph space : 0.5 fn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>and i like the effect, but now, the vertical space between the items
> >>>>>>in the lists has changed !
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Before the interparagraph space change, I have changed the vpace in
> >>>>>>lists like this :
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>     (in the bar there is a tool) > (item vspep) > (other) > 0.1 fn
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Unfortunately, when i change the interparagraph space, it changes the
> >>>>>>vsep in the lists too ! I would like to keep 0.1 fn in the lists,
> >>>>>>instead of 0.5 fn…
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>I hope that my explanation is clear (i am not sure).
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Thank you for reading,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Richard Gomez
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Le 28 mai 2021 à 12:53, Jeroen Wouters <address@hidden
> >>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>> a écrit :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Hi Richard,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Good to hear you've found the problem! I've tried to use the "Search
> >>>>>>>and replace" tool to remove such spaces between paragraphs, but
> >>>>>>>haven't had any luck.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>There's a description in Section 8 of Help -> Reference Guide -> The
> >>>>>>>TeXmacs format of length units. It may be hard to find in the
> >>>>>>>extensive documentation, but by pressing F1 you can search it, e.g.
> >>>>>>>searching for "units" takes you there.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Nice to see you've made such a substantial piece of work in TeXmacs.
> >>>>>>>Congratulations!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>Best wishes,
> >>>>>>>Jeroen
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>On Fri, 28 May, 2021 at 12:39, Richard gomez <address@hidden
> >>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>Jeroen wrote :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"
> >>>>>>>>Hi Richard,
> >>>>>>>>Massimiliano's suggestion works for me. Perhaps we are not
> >>>>>>>>understanding properly what the desired effect is. It would be
> >>>>>>>>helpful if you could attach a small example document (together with
> >>>>>>>>any non-standard style files, if necessary) and a screenshot where
> >>>>>>>>the spacing is indicated that you would like to reduce.
> >>>>>>>>Best,
> >>>>>>>>Jeroen
> >>>>>>>>"
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thank you Jeroen.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I have just understood my mistake (few seconds before your email).
> >>>>>>>>I am so stupid.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Here is my mistake : when i writed few blocs of text, like below :
> >>>>>>>>________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>This is block 1, block 1 , block 1, block 1, block 1
> >>>>>>>>block 1, block 1, block 1, block 1.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>This is block 2, block 2 , block 2, block 2, block 2
> >>>>>>>>block 2, block 2, block 2, block 2.
> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>i used to press twice ENTER (you can see this in the example or in
> >>>>>>>>my first email), instead of pressing once ENTER, like here :
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>This is block 1, block 1 , block 1, block 1, block 1
> >>>>>>>>block 1, block 1, block 1, block 1
> >>>>>>>>This is block 2, block 2 , block 2, block 2, block 2
> >>>>>>>>block 2, block 2, block 2, block 2
> >>>>>>>>_______________________________________
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>This is why the solutions given by Massimiliano and Giovanni did
> >>>>>>>>not work with me. But they were right !
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Now, it works.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>I am looking for some documentation about the menu
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>    DOCUMENT > PARAGRAPH > Interparagraph space
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>because i feel quite lost with the different units : fn, fns, fs,
> >>>>>>>>etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>My document is a "book style" (more than 800 pages) and my editor
> >>>>>>>>have made some requests about vertical spaces, etc.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Thank you for your help,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Richard Gomez
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Le 28 mai 2021 à 12:25, Jeroen Wouters <address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Hi Richard,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Massimiliano's suggestion works for me. Perhaps we are not
> >>>>>>>>>understanding properly what the desired effect is. It would be
> >>>>>>>>>helpful if you could attach a small example document (together
> >>>>>>>>>with any non-standard style files, if necessary) and a screenshot
> >>>>>>>>>where the spacing is indicated that you would like to reduce.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>Best,
> >>>>>>>>>Jeroen
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>On Fri, 28 May, 2021 at 12:13, Richard gomez <address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>Thank you Massimiliano.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I have tried with the menu
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          Document -> Paragraph
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>          Interparagraph space : *** fn
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>but it did not work.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I have tried with negative values…
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>By the way, what does « fn » mean ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I have also tried with negative values in
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>       <assign|par-par-sep|…>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>but it didn’t work (thak you Giovanni by the way).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>So, i ask once again (for new readers) : is there any way to
> >>>>>>>>>>change the height of the vertical spaces between the « blocks »
> >>>>>>>>>>of the text in my book ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Best regard,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Richard Gomez
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Le 26 mai 2021 à 20:34, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>You may want to make these changes in Document->Paragraph
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>where you have all the global settings. You have a spacing for
> >>>>>>>>>>lines and another for paragraphs, I think you can use negative
> >>>>>>>>>>values.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>m
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>On 26. May 2021, at 20:28, Giovanni Piredda <address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Perhaps it depends on the style. I tested it with the "generic"
> >>>>>>>>>>style (and gotten the tighter spacing), which style are you using?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Giovanni
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Am 26.05.2021 um 20:22 schrieb Richard gomez:
> >>>>>>>>>>Thank you Giovanni.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I have tried <assign|par-par-sep|0.2fn>, and this what i get :
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>— if i try with a big size, like 1fn :  <assign|par-par-sep|1fn>,
> >>>>>>>>>>it works ! Every vertical space is bigger, but this is not what i
> >>>>>>>>>>want.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>— if i try with 0.2fn or 0.1fn, it does not work. The vertical
> >>>>>>>>>>space i get is bigger (just a little bit bigger) and i want it
> >>>>>>>>>>smaller...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>It seems impossible to me to reduce the actual vertical spaces…
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I remember that i got the same result with the menu : FORMAT —>
> >>>>>>>>>>WHITE SPACE —> (..)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Maybe someone knows how to change the vertical space obtained
> >>>>>>>>>>pressing ENTER…
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Richard Gomez
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Le 26 mai 2021 à 19:31, Giovanni Piredda <address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
> >>>>>>>>>><mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The environment variable that controls the spacing between two
> >>>>>>>>>>successive paragraphs is par-par-sep.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>This assigns it to a tight spacing
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>><assign|par-par-sep|0.2fn>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>and you can adjust to the liking of your editor.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>I hope that I am not missing important things, in case I hope
> >>>>>>>>>>someone else can correct or complete what I wrote.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Giovanni
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Am 26.05.2021 um 18:43 schrieb Richard gomez:
> >>>>>>>>>>###############
> >>>>>>>>>>### French version
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Bonjour,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Je sépare les différents paragraphes d’une section d’un chapitre
> >>>>>>>>>>de mon livre en sautant la ligne, comme par exemple ci-dessous :
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>><<
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>1 Titre de la section
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Bloc 1 bla bla bla bla bla ceci cela et
> >>>>>>>>>>bla bla et bla bla bla.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Bloc 2. La suite bla bla bla et bla
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Est-il possible de réduire l’espace entre les deux blocs ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>(C’est une demande faite par mon éditeur qui trouve l’espace
> >>>>>>>>>>entre les deux blocs trop grand).
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Merci de votre aide,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Richard Gomez
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>#################
> >>>>>>>>>>###English version
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>i am writing several blocs in the same section and i separate
> >>>>>>>>>>them with a << line break >> (pressing ENTER). Here is an example
> >>>>>>>>>>:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>><<
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>1 Titre de la section
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Block 1 bla bla bla bla bla ceci cela et
> >>>>>>>>>>bla bla et bla bla bla.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Block 2. La suite bla bla bla et bla
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>My editor wants the vertical separation (vertical space) between
> >>>>>>>>>>the 2 blocks to be shorter. How can i change the length of this
> >>>>>>>>>>vertical space ?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Best regards,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Richard Gomez
> >

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