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  • From: Frank <address@hidden>
  • To: address@hidden
  • Subject: Re: Space between two paragraphs
  • Date: Fri, 28 May 2021 19:37:27 +0200
Hi,

Just a remark: no-indent is used for temporarily suppress an indent. I tend
to believe that deleting all no-indent could simply be done by a pattern
replacement in any text editor.

Best,
Frank

On 5/28/21, Richard gomez wrote:
Hello Joris,


well… i wrote the whole book with TeXmacs… no copy and paste from any editor.

It is my second book written with TeXmacs. The first one was published 3
years ago by Ellipse (french editor) and i remember that i asked to the
‘TeXmacs users’ how to avoid the indentation and someone taught me the
’no-indent’ tag. I didn’t know that there was a way to get this with a simple
global setting. It was a 400 pages book.

I was happy with the result and everything worked because Ellipse didn’t ask
me to reduce the vertical space between 2 paragraphs.



Now, i know that my method was not the good one… and Ellipse want me to
reduce the vertical spaces…



I don’t know how to make a special environment instead of a ‘marked’ one to
write the script codes. I remember that for my first book i asked how to
convert my yellow marked zones in grey zones and someone taught me the assign
tag with grey color.

I am quite afraid and desperate, now.

I would like to participate to a ‘hackers meeting’ because i really need to
achieve this book. I have written this one (850 pages) and another one (900
pages), and i would like to publish them in june or july. It has been a lot
of work (as you can imagine) and i don’t want to ruine all this effort.




I don’t know the Scheme programming, but i am ready to do the modifications
by hand if i don’t have any other choice… No problem...

I think that the first modification i need to do is to create a ‘python
script code’ environment where

— the background color is light grey,

— the font is the same than in ‘code’ environment

— the space between two lines of code is tiny as in IDLE or any Python editor,

— and where there is a vertical space around it,

but how to do this ?



Thank you,

Richard Gomez






Le 28 mai 2021 à 19:01, TeXmacs <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>> a
écrit :

Hi Richard,

There are a few issues for which I think that you are using TeXmacs
in a somewhat unexpected way:

 - As you mentioned, you sometimes inserted extra blank lines
   instead of modifying the spacing properties around environments
   that seem to need extra padding (like the code).

 - You inserted 'no-indent' tags before almost every line
   instead of simply setting the first indentation to zero
   for the whole book.

 - I am not sure whether the 'marked' tag is best for
   highlighting some pieces of your code.
   A specific environment might serve that purpose better.

So I would suggest doing a systematic replacement to fix these issues and
then finetune the style to do exactly what you want.  Since it is a biiig
book,
this may take a bit of time (unless you can do Scheme programming),
but you would probably be happy with the result.

We might invite you at one of our hackers meetings to discuss this
in further detail.  It could actually be a good exercise for simple
Scheme programming.

A small question: did you write the whole book with TeXmacs,
or did you copy and paste some parts?  I am a bit surprised by
the 'no-indent' tags at many places.

Best wishes, --Joris


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 05:04:48PM +0200, Richard gomez wrote:
Thank you Joris and everyone,

I have tried this :

    Focus -> Preferences

but it did not work.

I am happy with the change i have made in the interparagraph interspace, but
it has generated few problems :

— the vspace between items in a list as mentioned ;

— the bad appearence of my Python scripts inside the document.

I have attached 5 files for you to understand the issue (the MASTER file is
called ‘0_GROS_LIVRE.tm’)

Every script i write in my document is written in ‘code’ environment put
inside a ‘marked’ environment (or the inverse, i don’t remember). I have
changed the yellow color of the ‘marked’ environment with

       <assign | marked-color | light grey>

for a better result. It gave me a good result with my first book.


In the same way, every algorithm (in french) is written in a ‘code’
environment.


Now, the problem is :

1) the vertical space between 2 lines of code is too large ;

2) the ‘light grey’ colored lines are now separated by a thin white line.
Thus any script in my document looks like a bunch of grey lines…



I don’t know how to fix this…


Thank you for reading,

Richard Gomez













Le 28 mai 2021 à 15:12, Basile Audoly <address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>> a écrit :

Hi everyone,
Am I understanding correctly that it is not possible to set the vertical
spacing between list elements to be less than the inter-paragraph spacing?
Personally, I tend to set up lists within paragraphs (and even sometimes
within sentences), so I do not see really the reason for this.
I am asking mostly out of curiosity, this is not a big issue.
Basile


Le 28 mai 2021 à 14:10, TeXmacs <address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>> a écrit :

Hi Richard,

Inside a list, go to 'Focus -> Preferences' and
you will be able to set the spacing properties for your lists.

Best wishes, --Joris


On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 01:24:15PM +0200, Richard gomez wrote:
Hello Jeroen,

i have already wrote a book with Texmacs (édition Ellipse, it’s a french
editor), and i like Texmacs a lot.

I will try to read all the information about fn, fns, etc. but i have first
to fix a new problem, a consequence of my change of interparagraph space.

I have made this choice :

      Document > Paragraph
      interparagraph space : 0.5 fn

and i like the effect, but now, the vertical space between the items in the
lists has changed !

Before the interparagraph space change, I have changed the vpace in lists
like this :

     (in the bar there is a tool) > (item vspep) > (other) > 0.1 fn

Unfortunately, when i change the interparagraph space, it changes the vsep in
the lists too ! I would like to keep 0.1 fn in the lists, instead of 0.5 fn…

I hope that my explanation is clear (i am not sure).

Thank you for reading,

Richard Gomez






Le 28 mai 2021 à 12:53, Jeroen Wouters <address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>> a écrit :

Hi Richard,

Good to hear you've found the problem! I've tried to use the "Search and
replace" tool to remove such spaces between paragraphs, but haven't had any luck.

There's a description in Section 8 of Help -> Reference Guide -> The TeXmacs format of
length units. It may be hard to find in the extensive documentation, but by pressing F1 you
can search it, e.g. searching for "units" takes you there.

Nice to see you've made such a substantial piece of work in TeXmacs.
Congratulations!

Best wishes,
Jeroen

On Fri, 28 May, 2021 at 12:39, Richard gomez <address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden>>> wrote:
Jeroen wrote :

"
Hi Richard,
Massimiliano's suggestion works for me. Perhaps we are not understanding
properly what the desired effect is. It would be helpful if you could attach
a small example document (together with any non-standard style files, if
necessary) and a screenshot where the spacing is indicated that you would
like to reduce.
Best,
Jeroen
"

Thank you Jeroen.

I have just understood my mistake (few seconds before your email). I am so
stupid.

Here is my mistake : when i writed few blocs of text, like below :
________________________________________
This is block 1, block 1 , block 1, block 1, block 1
block 1, block 1, block 1, block 1.

This is block 2, block 2 , block 2, block 2, block 2
block 2, block 2, block 2, block 2.
_______________________________________

i used to press twice ENTER (you can see this in the example or in my first
email), instead of pressing once ENTER, like here :

________________________________________
This is block 1, block 1 , block 1, block 1, block 1
block 1, block 1, block 1, block 1
This is block 2, block 2 , block 2, block 2, block 2
block 2, block 2, block 2, block 2
_______________________________________

This is why the solutions given by Massimiliano and Giovanni did not work
with me. But they were right !

Now, it works.

I am looking for some documentation about the menu

    DOCUMENT > PARAGRAPH > Interparagraph space

because i feel quite lost with the different units : fn, fns, fs, etc.

My document is a "book style" (more than 800 pages) and my editor have made
some requests about vertical spaces, etc.

Thank you for your help,

Richard Gomez










Le 28 mai 2021 à 12:25, Jeroen Wouters <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :

Hi Richard,

Massimiliano's suggestion works for me. Perhaps we are not understanding
properly what the desired effect is. It would be helpful if you could attach
a small example document (together with any non-standard style files, if
necessary) and a screenshot where the spacing is indicated that you would
like to reduce.

Best,
Jeroen

On Fri, 28 May, 2021 at 12:13, Richard gomez <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:
Thank you Massimiliano.

I have tried with the menu

          Document -> Paragraph

          Interparagraph space : *** fn

but it did not work.

I have tried with negative values…

By the way, what does « fn » mean ?


I have also tried with negative values in

       <assign|par-par-sep|…>

but it didn’t work (thak you Giovanni by the way).

So, i ask once again (for new readers) : is there any way to change the
height of the vertical spaces between the « blocks » of the text in my book ?

Best regard,

Richard Gomez




Le 26 mai 2021 à 20:34, Massimiliano Gubinelli <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :

You may want to make these changes in Document->Paragraph

where you have all the global settings. You have a spacing for lines and
another for paragraphs, I think you can use negative values.

m


On 26. May 2021, at 20:28, Giovanni Piredda <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>>>> wrote:

Perhaps it depends on the style. I tested it with the "generic" style (and
gotten the tighter spacing), which style are you using?

Giovanni

Am 26.05.2021 um 20:22 schrieb Richard gomez:
Thank you Giovanni.

I have tried <assign|par-par-sep|0.2fn>, and this what i get :

— if i try with a big size, like 1fn :  <assign|par-par-sep|1fn>, it works !
Every vertical space is bigger, but this is not what i want.

— if i try with 0.2fn or 0.1fn, it does not work. The vertical space i get is
bigger (just a little bit bigger) and i want it smaller...

It seems impossible to me to reduce the actual vertical spaces…


I remember that i got the same result with the menu : FORMAT —> WHITE SPACE
—> (..)

Maybe someone knows how to change the vertical space obtained pressing ENTER…



Best regards,

Richard Gomez





Le 26 mai 2021 à 19:31, Giovanni Piredda <address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>> <mailto:address@hidden <mailto:address@hidden><mailto:address@hidden
<mailto:address@hidden>>>> a écrit :

The environment variable that controls the spacing between two successive
paragraphs is par-par-sep.

This assigns it to a tight spacing

<assign|par-par-sep|0.2fn>

and you can adjust to the liking of your editor.

I hope that I am not missing important things, in case I hope someone else
can correct or complete what I wrote.

Giovanni

Am 26.05.2021 um 18:43 schrieb Richard gomez:
###############
### French version

Bonjour,

Je sépare les différents paragraphes d’une section d’un chapitre de mon livre
en sautant la ligne, comme par exemple ci-dessous :

<<

1 Titre de la section

Bloc 1 bla bla bla bla bla ceci cela et
bla bla et bla bla bla.

Bloc 2. La suite bla bla bla et bla

Est-il possible de réduire l’espace entre les deux blocs ?

(C’est une demande faite par mon éditeur qui trouve l’espace entre les deux
blocs trop grand).

Merci de votre aide,

Richard Gomez

#################
###English version

Hello,


i am writing several blocs in the same section and i separate them with a << line
break >> (pressing ENTER). Here is an example :

<<

1 Titre de la section

Block 1 bla bla bla bla bla ceci cela et
bla bla et bla bla bla.

Block 2. La suite bla bla bla et bla

My editor wants the vertical separation (vertical space) between the 2 blocks
to be shorter. How can i change the length of this vertical space ?

Best regards,

Richard Gomez


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